New member. which is best?

[Jim Davis]

A while back, I ordered twenty 510 attys. When I received them, I noticed that they're not the Joye 510's. I haven't used any yet, but I'll report on them when I fire one up.

[Rick]

In all fairness to the LS2s (knowck offs) some actually do a better job than the stock ones. I have both and I am now matching attys with juices, devices etc... in brining out the best in a particular juice or device.

I have an LS2 at 3.6 Ohms resistance that vapes my menthols like a champ on a stock battery. I am going to miss her when she finally passes on. That particular atty, does not perform well on 5V, nor 3.7V devices. That being said, I have some that I have laid aside for HV applications, when it gets here. I will give them a whirl, because they are useless as is.

I also have some stock 510s that don't perform out of the box like some. This BTW is a normal occurence so I hear, regardless of which atty it is: 510, 901. 801 etc... Why, no one knows. Resistance doesn't even figure in the equation.

I like a cooler atty for vaping RY4 as it is such a subtle delicate bouquet, yet I like a hot one for my French Pipe.

Welcome to the wonderful world of vaping, and please forget that one size fits all.

[mcquinn]

I got two of the SLB 510 knockoffs from VaporKings,I have never tried an authentic 510.Of the two I got one lasted about six months so far, one didn't make it through the Rath juice but the other is going strong.I think they are ok as long as you know what you are getting .

[Rick]

What's with the Rath juice and atties?

Ecigsupply has the best prices I have found and they are the stock atties. He is the only one I purchase from, because you can vape 'em straight out of the box.

[mcquinn]

It could be just me or just coincidence but when ever I try a real tasty domestic juice I go through three or four atties to a bottle.I only vape at 4 volts or less and that may have something to do with it.If I wasn't such a cheapskate I wouldn't mind because the taste really is extremely good on most of them .

[BillyBlack]

Originally Posted by Royal

When I speak of a 510, I am speaking only of the original from Joye.

I have not ordered any in a long time now. So the only thing I know about the cloned ones, is that they exist.

How many of these 510 knockoffs are there? Does anybody know who is making them? And are they called by any other name other than a 510?

Way too many. I would not even call them clones as that would infer an exact replica, which they are not. They are knock-offs, imitations that look like a Joye. None of them perform like a Joye due mostly to higher ohm atties. Using Joye carts often presents problems as atty diameters vary. Seems the SLB 510 carts also hold a tad less liquid... smart move. The higher ohm atties also seem to influence battery run times which may help explain the wildly varied numbers posted by various '510' users. The high ohm imitations run cooler and demand less of a battery.

The most common are the SLB/DSE 510, although they produce OK vapor they lack the TH of a Joye product and seem much less durable and their manual batts had a sticking problem. Many suppliers are now selling cheaper 510 Mega Batts, these are often a SLB/DSE product. Again for a couple dollars more the Joye Megas appear to be a better product. Other makers? Feellife, Boge/Dekang, Bauway to name 3. JSB (maker of the Blu) has now entered the fray, but seems to have chosen to try to duplicate the 2.2Ω's of the Joye atty.

Is it OK to just say '510'? I don't think so. Powering a PT is a good example. Using the often recommended Kensington Power Pack with it's 1.4A output with DSE, Bauway and Boge 510's will produce voltages in the 4+V range. Using it with a real Joye 510 will only produce about 3V... unacceptable.

I also take issue with with suppliers who sell no battery '510 5V PT's'. To get 5V with a Joye atty demands about 2.4A of current. Can a computer's USB port provide this? And as far as AC 5V adapters the highest I've seen are 2A... again not 5V with a real 510. Maybe if they want to use '5V' they should call them 'clone 510 atty 5V PT's'.

[Royal]

Thanks for the info BB. For now on I will be more specific and state Joye 510 instead of just 510.
All the rest appears to be only cheap imitations. As you said, (knock offs)

[BillyBlack]

The shame is that I kinda like the SLB/DSE 510 atties for that late night, gentler vape. But they just don't seem to last. I only want about 6 good weeks, the SLB's don't even give me two. Bad Luck?

I just tried a Boge/Dekang 510 (2.9Ω). Got a fat wide bridge and no washer and Joye carts fit well. Again a decent gentler vape with good vapor... lasted a whole 2 days. Hopefully LiteCigUSA will replace it. This is all 3.7V BTW.

[Rick]

Not to sound facetious but what are you guys doing with your attys?

I haven't lost one yet (knocks on wood). Just hope they just don't go pouf 1, 2, 3...

... and yes the sweet spot, they all have there place don't they.