Harmful Chemicals

[Rick]

Royal made this interesting observation in another thread. Not to sidetrack that thread, I decided it merited a thread of it's own.

I have for myself come to the conclusion that nicotine in itself when taken in via an e-cig, is not as addictive as conventional cigarettes/analogs.
Could this be because of all the other junk that is in analogs are making them more addictive? If so, has big tobacco done this on purpose?

It's funny you bring that up as I was discussing this observation with my wife just this morning. I'll touch on that later...

I remember the day when tobacco tasted like tobacco and I am sure many here can vouch for that as well. Can anyone tell me what analogs taste like these days because they sure as hell don't taste like tobacco?

There was a movie about the Philip Morris whistle blower (WB) that aired a few months ago, starring Al Pacino. It was interesting because it was all about a piece that was supposed to be seen on 20/20 but never aired as iriginally planned, we got the diluted version. The shows producer is now heading Frontline, anyway I digress...

The WB explained why he could no longer work there etc and apparently he had voiced his health concerns to the top execs who eventually canned him.

The whole object of the BTCs is to induce and maintain an/the addiction, in more ways than one. As many MDs have reported, ciagarettes are more addictive than h e r o i n . Why is that? Well those chemicals we talk about do specific functions in our neuro systems. To keep us hooked etc... I explained this to my bride this am as the BTCs have put us in jail and have thrown away the key, for the lack of a better metaphor.

One could argue that because the length of time we smoked makes it more difficult etc... that is usually the comment from non-smokers or reformed smokers that quit ions ago. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that withdrawal sysmptoms far exceed today what they did, let's say 20 years ago, and hence what Royal was referring to.

When discussing nicotine absorption (learning curve of vaping) and the medical test carried out wrt nicotine in the blood stream of vapers in comparison with analogers, they state there is not significant amount detected, of course not. It hasn't got any of those chemicals that causes it to enter the blood stream, fatty tissues, brain cells etc...

The absorbtion rate of nicotine from vaping is much lower/slower than analogs. But I can honestly tell you, I know if I vap too much. Proof is in the pudding.

I smoked premium cigars and because I was a cig smoker, inhaled them. As we know true cigar smokers do not inhale. Can someone explain to me that why did I need a cigarette withing minutes (10 or so) after sucking on a cigar for the better part of 1 - 1.5 hrs?? Cigars are cleaner than cigs, any doctor will tell you that.

I don't know if the same applies in the states, but here there is smokers insurance policies and non-smokers insurance policies. My agent told me that to get the reduced rate, I have to of "cigs" for a year. Cigar smokers aren't really considered smokers etc... ??? Anyway nice to know.

Back to the thread at hand. It is my belief based on the movie (WB) and my own experience that - we are no longer addicted to "just" nicotine but to a greater variety of addictive substances from the chemical induced c o c k t a i l form the BTCs. Can anyone tell me what role ammonia or formaldehyde play in cigarettes? But I am sure they serve a useful purpose in keeping those wallets lined.

In closing and getting back to the dicussion I was having with my wife this morning, you hit the nail on the head Royal. Nicotine by itself is not as addictive as what we are led to believe. Without being paranoid or a conspiracy theorist etc... it is the chemical c o c k t a i l produced that has our neuro system FUBAR, and yes indeed it is FUBAR more than we imagine.

[Jim Davis]

I just posted the Health New Zealand Research Document in the Reference Library. They tested some Ruyan E-Cig Products. It might help to answer a few questions.

And NO! Cigarettes don't tase like they did years ago. The sad part is that new smokers don't know what they used to taste like.

[lordmage]

to both of you.

[mcquinn]

I remember the flavor ,back in the day of an analog and coffee used to taste and smell better as well.Oh no I am becoming an old fogie!!!

[BillyBlack]

Nothing is wasted or thrown out when cigs are made these days, all of it is used including sweepings off the floor. The big thing in today's cigs is 'Recon'. Once upon a time cigs were made with all tobacco.

Supposedly the best cigs these days are Winston Lights made in the Philippines. The Philippine plant uses all tobacco, no recon or other fillers.

[lordmage]

yes but any analog sold these days is a FSC fire safe cig with yet another added chemical and that messes with the taste i'll stick to vaping.

[Royal]

yes but any analog sold these days is a FSC fire safe cig with yet another added chemical and that messes with the taste i'll stick to vaping.

And to the best of my knowledge little is known about these so called fire retardent chemicals that have been added to analogs. I would surmise that it is yet another carcinogen. They say it is to make cigarettes safer. Safer from those who fall asleep with a lit analog and burn thier house down I suppose.
But I don't see that it serves as no other purpose other than to possibly cause us more harm and yet an even a higher chance of getting cancer. Other than to run up the cost of health care and more profits for big Pharma.

[Jim Davis]

Doesn't it make you feel special to know that they're main concern is for our health & safety?

[BillyBlack]

Cool vid.

YouTube - Modern Marvels : Tobacco

YouTube - Modern Marvels : Tobacco

[mcquinn]

Man after all that hard work they put into those I kinda hate to be responsible for putting them out of jobs.