Philip Morriss Negotiates with Ruyan

[Jim Davis]

Originally Posted by mcquinn

how 1950's ,we will all be hunkering in our fallout shelters with our stockpiles

I was raised in the 50's. I remember my parents looking at new homes, and some had basement fallout shelters.

So what about today? The stored supplies were eventually used, and the shelters are now storage areas, work shops, or home offices. Everything was put to an alternate use, and little was wasted.

So? What's the harm in stocking up?

[mcquinn]

Nothing wrong with that.I just go with the flow if they get outlawed I'll find something else.That might be why we cannot find attomizers every one is hoarding them.

[Royal]

Originally Posted by mcquinn

Nothing wrong with that.I just go with the flow if they get outlawed I'll find something else.That might be why we cannot find attomizers every one is hoarding them.

Nothing wrong with buying in advance. I admit that these ban scares have prompted me to buy more often at times. I have hoards of e-cigs, of all types. People buying excessive amounts is a good thing for the e-cig industry. I know and understand manufacturing well. Companies will expand to meet the demands.

If for any reason one finds a shortage or are unable to get a particular device at the time they want it, you can blame that on the FDA, putting fear in the suppliers, causing them to limit the size of thier orders.

Not being able to find what you want when you want it is not the consumers fault. And I do not blame the suppliers for keeping their shopping lists short. For most it would bankrupt them with a single seizure. A consumer can always take their chances just like the suppliers do and order direct from China, if it pays off one could save some money. It all depends on how much you are willing to gamble.

[mcquinn]

In my manufacturing experience you don't expand production for a product that may not have a marketplace,most are trying just in time to put the burden on submanufacturers .This works well if there is not an event that causes people to change buying habits.As far as consumers go most will decide not to fool with it and just go to Piggly Wiggly and get some old reliables.

[Royal]

Originally Posted by mcquinn

In my manufacturing experience you don't expand production for a product that may not have a marketplace.

Are you talking about e-cigs? Sorry, I don't get you on this one.
Machine and tooling needed for e-cigs is minimal. Some parts may even be outsourced if needed. Labor forces can be increased and decreased at the drop of the hat.
Here in the States, starting back in the early 2,000s when the computer bubble popped, manufacturers started leaning more on Temp agencies. This is still practiced by companies such as Dell. They use temps to avoid paying benefits and unemployment. This to me is bad business practice as it treats employees as disposable and reflects on the quality of product. But in doing so, they can increase and decrease production at any given time without the worry of costly expenditures.
I too use Temp agencies for new hires, But our reason is different. We only want to make sure the employee is a good fit and is one that will stay. Once this has been proven to our satisfaction, we will hire them on as full employees and give them all their benefits prorated back to the time of their temp hire. My company has an old fashioned approach to employee relations. We know and recognize the value of our employees. When hard times come, we will do everything possible to avoid layoffs.

We manufacture some really high tech equipment and products, and the manufacturing process is not something that one can be trained for in a few days. Some positions takes more than a year to fully learn. The products we make are subject to so many different variables, we never stop learning. So in our case the value of the trained employee is irreplaceable. I have staffed here at corporate headquarters, employees who have been with the company for over 40 years, with the majority falling into the 20 plus year bracket. We are worldwide and manufacture different products in different places. This is what I do.

[mcquinn]

I do not beleive with any product not including single item components such as screws ,you can call your manufacturer and tell them to send you a thousand more than your agreement was for next week.There has to be some sort of lead time and that is what I see happening .You try to predict what your sales will be and your suppliers build accordingly.It would not be practical to have infinite manufacturing capacity available in reserve ,as the sub contracter has to have tooling materials and as you stated trained employees.There is also the shelf life of lithium ion batteries to consider.As for the statement you highlighted there seems to be some question as to whether e-ciggs will remain legal to import and it would be foolish to increase production if your market might go away.

[lordmage]

all well and true but what we fail to see is even if they are harder to import don't mean we won't be able to get them. maybe at a slower rate and higher cost but it will be possible

[Jim Davis]

As I see it, attys and juice are the most important. Power sources are plentiful, and the supply won't run out. Compromises on juice is also possible. That leaves the attys. If demand increases, the manufacturers will increase production.

[mcquinn]

I hope so ,time will tell.I am used to getting the short end of the stick so I am a little pessemistic.

[Jim Davis]

I've already made up my mind that I'm never going back to anal logs. I have about 50 - 4081 attys & still ordering, and over 1000ml of juice right now. I'm working on stocking 510 attys right now. I have enough battery sources to last.