PACT act passed

[Royal]

A bill to prevent tobacco smuggling, to ensure the collection of all tobacco taxes, and for other purposes.

S.1147: PACT act passed on Mar 11, 2010: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each senator’s position was not kept.

Mar 17, 2010: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The vote was held under a suspension of the rules to cut debate short and pass the bill, needing a two-thirds majority. This usually occurs for non-controversial legislation. The totals were 387 Ayes, 25 Nays, 18 Present/Not Voting.

This bill becomes law and goes in to effect on June 30th. What this means is that we will no longer be able to order any tobacco product online or by U.S. Mail, UPS, Fedex or any other means. It is just another way to insure we are being taxed. But what is weird is, from what I have surmised, Cigars are exempt from this bill. So why is that? Is it because some of our Congressmen and Senators are Cigar smokers and like to order them fresh?

So we have to ask ourselves what will this mean to our beloved e-cigs?
The way I see it, they will now declare e-cigs a tobacco product and then they will ammend this law to include e-cigs, and therefore will be illegal to sell or buy via the internet, mail order or any other means other than off the shelf at a store by this PACT act. And with many states who are already banning the sale of e-cigs from the typical brick and mortar stores, there will be no way for many of us to buy e-cigs legally even if they are not a banned product.

Some more food for thought. If e-cigs are declared a tobacco product, then Suppliers will be required to obtain a tobacco license, and collect taxes on them. I would then think they will make e-lquid illegal and require us to buy prefilled carts. Remember one cart equals a pack of smokes acording to a lot of suppliers, this we all know is wrong. But the Government will use this as a method of calucating taxes and we will then be seeing prefilled carts costing between $4.00 and $10.00 per cart, depending on where you live. Plus you will have to find a brick and mortar store that can legally sell them.

Just remember, come this November a lot of these people who gave us Government run health care, and now the PACT act are up for re-election. So this November it is time to clean house. Then we clean out the rest in 2012.

[Jim Davis]

It's nice to think of cleaning house in November, but it's sad that the American people have still not learned to stick together on issues.

We may be going underground in the near future.

[mcquinn]

I think it is just a question of when we get hosed.I guess that leaves three options stock up now,pay up later or take advantage and get unhooked as soon as possible.I am going for option three.

[Royal]

Originally Posted by Jim Davis

It's nice to think of cleaning house in November, but it's sad that the American people have still not learned to stick together on issues.

We may be going underground in the near future.

The saddest truth be known, though the American people are now waking up and realizing they are in a pot of boiling water, our representatives have proven lately that they do not care about representing the will of the people, only their own agenda.

[Rick]

Yup! I seen it a while back when Obama had signed it. Not being a lawyer the Act can in fact be amended rather quickly to include e-cigs. If it is any consolation, all governments are the same, the're just a different flavour.

Our freedoms were signed away a looooooong time ago, most people were a sleep at the switch to even notice.

13 out of 16 ammnedments of the constitution are now bogus, 9 with the Patrito Act and 4 being abolished with the signing of the Health Care Plan. 13 down 3 to go.

I'm not being facetious, we are in the same boat.

[Jim Davis]

Looks like we'll have to shift gears here, and concentrate on DIY juice. Stocking up will only work for a period of time before running out of supplies.

Has anyone done any research on synthetic nic? Is it even an option?

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Jim Davis

Looks like we'll have to shift gears here, and concentrate on DIY juice. Stocking up will only work for a period of time before running out of supplies.

Has anyone done any research on synthetic nic? Is it even an option?

Hopefully I'll be off the nic by the time I run out.

[NickofTime]

Hi,

The way I read it, the PACT Act 2009 refers to cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products, not all tobacco products. Smokeless tobacco is defined as:

`(14) SMOKELESS TOBACCO- The term `smokeless tobacco' means any finely cut, ground, powdered, or leaf tobacco, or other product containing tobacco, that is intended to be placed in the oral or nasal cavity or otherwise consumed without being combusted.

So I don't think this Act affects vaping supplies.

[lordmage]

yes nick but with a simple amendment it could be made to effect e-cigs. or simple classify them as a tobacco product which is what some people want.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by lordmage

yes nick but with a simple amendment it could be made to effect e-cigs. or simple classify them as a tobacco product which is what some people want.

What he said ...